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Posted 18 Aug 2014 18:34 #1
First a big thank you I have learnt so much from your tutorials.
My issue I am trying to render some footage taken on my go pro in addition I have footage from a second camera Sony Video HD. The render quality I have got is pretty ordinary the go pro footage is blurry & ghosting.
Not sure what other info I can give you I have tried to match the project frame rate looking for 47.952 1920x 1080 but can't find a render template to align. Can I convert the go pro footage MP4 to some other format that would make it compatible.
I have always got twitchy when about to render as it always seems to cause some grief. We do a lot of touring & put together a bit of a home movie when we get back I have around an hour of footage this time. This is the first time I have used the gopro footage (New Camera 3 Black)
Hoping you can shed some light on this for me?
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Posted 18 Aug 2014 19:38 #2
Apologies some more information that I missed I am working with Vegas Pro 12 & DVD Architect Pro 6
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Posted 19 Aug 2014 00:16 #3
Hi John

What Frame Rate is the video from your Sony Camera ?
Is there any particular reason why you are recording your GoPro Video at 48 frames per second ?
48fps is not a very common frame rate to use.

Ideally, you should be recording the video from your Sony and GoPro to the same Frame Rate.

The main reason why you would shoot at 48fps, 50fps or 60fps with a GoPro, is so you can do smooth Slow Motion effects within Sony Vegas.
Then you would render the final project to a frame rate that is half the original, like 24fps, 25fps or 30fps.
What country do you live in ? Are you in a PAL or NTSC country ?

Once I know what your Sony Camera is recording to, I can advise further.
I suspect you have mis-matched frame rates which can cause problems.

There is another trick which you should probably do for ALL your projects.
Disable Re-sampling.
Re-sampling is turned ON by default in Vegas Pro and can make your video have a lot of motion blur, which ends up looking not very sharp.
You can highlight all your videos on the Vegas Timeline and go to Switches - Disable Re-sampling.

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Posted 19 Aug 2014 08:15 #4
Derek thanks for your prompt response,
My Sony video camera footage is at 25fps
No there is no particular reason to 48fps, I am a new user to Go Pro (got it for our big trip) so somewhat of a lack of understanding
I live in Brisbane Australia (the Go Pro is set to NTSC)
I will try turning off the resample & give that a try.
Will I be able to salvage the video already taken from our trip?

I have just changed the frame rate on the Go Pro to 24fps,


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Posted 19 Aug 2014 15:07 #5
OK
So the first thing you need to do is set your GoPro to PAL settings.
All GoPro cameras come with World settings - both PAL and NTSC.

You can use 25p, 50p and 100p in your camera.
50p is best for fast action capture.
100p is best for super slow motion.

The best thing to do is a series of Tests at home first.
Record at all the different settings, so you get use to the camera.
Then Import all the test footage into Sony Vegas and muck around with it a bit.
Please watch this tutorial on how to slow down video.
How to Slow Down GoPro and High Frame Rate Video with Sony Vegas Pro and Movie Studio

When you are mixing video from your Sony and GoPro, set Sony Vegas to match the Sony camera.
Which means it should be 1920x1080 at 25fps.
I explain how to do this in my tutorial here.
How to Render 1080p and 720p Video using Sony Vegas Pro 12

As long as you Disable the Re-sampling, the GoPro 48fps video should render OK to 1080-25p.
Please make sure that you set the Frame Rate correctly in your render settings.
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Posted 20 Aug 2014 09:41 #6
Thanks Derek, I appreciate our patience I have made the necessary changes to the Go Pro.
I have rendered my footage after I disabled the resample did make a difference to the footage in Vegas
& have watched the tutorials suggested again,
Can I confirm some of the settings as some 54 minutes of footage
took just on 8 hours to render I did tick the Two Pass but the results is not much better than my original go
and it almost looks like it has slowed the whole video down one could express it as blocky
Render settings Internet HD1080-50i (1920x1080) 25fps set the frame size to 25.000 (Pal)
Am I missing something here? the footage looks OK when played in Vegas on my PC but not when rendered out.

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Posted 20 Aug 2014 14:40 #7
Turning on Two Pass rendering is going to DOUBLE the time it takes to render.

Because you have mixed Frame Rates in the same project, that is also going to slow the rendering process down again.

There are a lot of non-standard things in your project, which makes it impossible to give you a neat answer.
It takes time to get use to using a GoPro.
GoPro video takes a lot of effort to make it look good.
All the promos you see from GoPro have had a lot of extra Colour Correction and Video Fx added to them.

The subject mater of your GoPro video can also influence the end result.
Fast moving video can be very blocky.

I think you will have to notch this project up as BIG learning experience.
If you want to see what the GoPro video really looks like, you need to do a NEW Project that uses ONLY the GoPro video you took.
Set the Project Properties to 48p and render to 48p, then you will see a more accurate render of the video.

I can't help much more than this.
It's time to do a tonne of experiments with your GoPro, so you get more familiar with it first.
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Posted 20 Aug 2014 17:58 #8
Thanks again, The Go Pro was used as a second camera to give me some different angles so what I will do is re do the project & take out the Go Pro footage.
If I do this will these Render setting work?
Internet HD1080-50i (1920x1080) 25fps set the frame size to 25.000 (Pal)
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Posted 20 Aug 2014 18:36 #9
I have already directed you to the correct tutorial for rendering 1080p video with Sony Vegas Pro 12.
Everything you need to know is in that tutorial.
How to Render 1080p and 720p Video using Sony Vegas Pro 12
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Posted 01 Sep 2014 17:07 #10
Derek all sorted now, I had an issue with the video card.
Project is coming together & looks much better.
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